Book Making hints-Sharing my experience
- jason1.methews
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Book Making hints-Sharing my experience
Hi
Before Leaving Yahoo Chess Games (may return after a long break, can't say how long is the break?), I would like to pass on the knowledge of book making to other people on forum. I have struggled a lot for making book and could not find much help from people on yahoo chess. I have a very limitted knowledge of chess but a Strong knowledge of Softwares. I utilised my s/w knowledge to make book and done good too . My book have been unbeatable on short version. Longer version can't win many primarily because of slow computer. I have able to attain 2800 rating on PCC with that book and upset many 8 cores on pcc in 3/0 games both from white and black side. Now I am passing the knowledge to people at forums, who are new to this process.
Here are steps for Making strong book which I used:
1. Collection of games:- many ways, use all of them to collect games. CCRL games, CEGT games, and games player by your engines on your comp (this step I will suggest how? Most critical step) Never use games played by humans. Ther are very complicated. Your engines may or may play strong games with them.
2. Create two randomized Rybka, for every ECO create pgn file till 12 moves. Randomize rybka to 20. Play 500 games for every ECO with depth of 10-20 depending on you computer. For slow computer use depth as 10. Every game played will be unique here.
3. Select white win/Black win from the games played your engines (Randomize Rybka's), CCRL and CEGT games
4. Create an empty book.
5. Import all the above games in you Fritz, shredder etc GUI, Use the import option as 30 moves and include variations
6 Mark every move in the book as Green (moves which you want your engines should move) Red (moves which you want your should never moves) Blue (Moves for which you are not certain)
7. For white to Play:- There should 1 move as an answer to black move and vice versa for black to move. If you want move moves as an answer, priortize all the muliple move by marking with !, !! !?, +-, += etc
Test the book on PCC before playing on Yahoo. After one game on PCC, Check the moves played by you book. Check whether desired line is being played? Keep testing you against standard commercially available book.
After you have tested book Play on Yahoo and enjoy.
People who put their programs on auto on shorter version games and sit on black, let their opponent play from white side now should feel relax . Sunny will not be there to drain you (Distantworx my lattest victim 2400 to 1800 )
I will be here on forum for some time, unless admin blacklist my id. Any question on book making please PM me or mail me on sunny40.singh@yahoo.com
Cheers..!!!
Sunny
PS: If admin think this is a repeat topic please delete it.
Before Leaving Yahoo Chess Games (may return after a long break, can't say how long is the break?), I would like to pass on the knowledge of book making to other people on forum. I have struggled a lot for making book and could not find much help from people on yahoo chess. I have a very limitted knowledge of chess but a Strong knowledge of Softwares. I utilised my s/w knowledge to make book and done good too . My book have been unbeatable on short version. Longer version can't win many primarily because of slow computer. I have able to attain 2800 rating on PCC with that book and upset many 8 cores on pcc in 3/0 games both from white and black side. Now I am passing the knowledge to people at forums, who are new to this process.
Here are steps for Making strong book which I used:
1. Collection of games:- many ways, use all of them to collect games. CCRL games, CEGT games, and games player by your engines on your comp (this step I will suggest how? Most critical step) Never use games played by humans. Ther are very complicated. Your engines may or may play strong games with them.
2. Create two randomized Rybka, for every ECO create pgn file till 12 moves. Randomize rybka to 20. Play 500 games for every ECO with depth of 10-20 depending on you computer. For slow computer use depth as 10. Every game played will be unique here.
3. Select white win/Black win from the games played your engines (Randomize Rybka's), CCRL and CEGT games
4. Create an empty book.
5. Import all the above games in you Fritz, shredder etc GUI, Use the import option as 30 moves and include variations
6 Mark every move in the book as Green (moves which you want your engines should move) Red (moves which you want your should never moves) Blue (Moves for which you are not certain)
7. For white to Play:- There should 1 move as an answer to black move and vice versa for black to move. If you want move moves as an answer, priortize all the muliple move by marking with !, !! !?, +-, += etc
Test the book on PCC before playing on Yahoo. After one game on PCC, Check the moves played by you book. Check whether desired line is being played? Keep testing you against standard commercially available book.
After you have tested book Play on Yahoo and enjoy.
People who put their programs on auto on shorter version games and sit on black, let their opponent play from white side now should feel relax . Sunny will not be there to drain you (Distantworx my lattest victim 2400 to 1800 )
I will be here on forum for some time, unless admin blacklist my id. Any question on book making please PM me or mail me on sunny40.singh@yahoo.com
Cheers..!!!
Sunny
PS: If admin think this is a repeat topic please delete it.
- linasinblues
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Re: Book Making hints-Sharing my experience
what do you think about endgame tablebases? is it advisable to have it ? look at this......
Total Nalimov Endgame Tablebases I and II Nalimov Tablebases provide high-powered instruction for analyzing endgames with a small number of pieces. Total Nalimov Tablebases cover exhaustively all endgames with 5 pieces (the Kings count as two of the pieces) or less - PLUS nearly all 6 piece or less endgames.
Total Nalimov Endgame Tablebases I and II Nalimov Tablebases provide high-powered instruction for analyzing endgames with a small number of pieces. Total Nalimov Tablebases cover exhaustively all endgames with 5 pieces (the Kings count as two of the pieces) or less - PLUS nearly all 6 piece or less endgames.
Re: Book Making hints-Sharing my experience
Sunny, thank you very much for ur good thoughts..
but every champ retires when hes on top...
think about it...
happy new year
but every champ retires when hes on top...
think about it...
happy new year
- elcriollito
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Re: Book Making hints-Sharing my experience
tks Jason for sharing your knowledge
Happy new year
Happy new year
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Re: Book Making hints-Sharing my experience
Well, thanks for the sharing, jason1.methews.
Now that here are the explanation and instructions, let me give you some pictures so as to make it easier to understand:
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6919/80423275nf5.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5195 ... halot5.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3783/39180365ml0.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6127/55126536ix3.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2262/27496481zn5.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7430/49516820iw4.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5810/52385747bw6.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/814/72674049pc4.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4877/66685041or4.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1660/98064672vd2.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4982/88536955dh6.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3420/37153320sj8.jpg
I hope they help.
Now that here are the explanation and instructions, let me give you some pictures so as to make it easier to understand:
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6919/80423275nf5.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5195 ... halot5.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3783/39180365ml0.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6127/55126536ix3.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2262/27496481zn5.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7430/49516820iw4.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5810/52385747bw6.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/814/72674049pc4.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4877/66685041or4.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1660/98064672vd2.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4982/88536955dh6.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3420/37153320sj8.jpg
I hope they help.
Ever tried, ever failed. Try again, fail again. Fail better.
Samuel Beckett
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- linasinblues
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Re: Book Making hints-Sharing my experience
thanks mt mode. but it would be better if all your windows were in english that i can understand. thank you.
Re: Book Making hints-Sharing my experience
Oh yeah, sorry for the language.
Ever tried, ever failed. Try again, fail again. Fail better.
Samuel Beckett
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Re: Book Making hints-Sharing my experience
These are great tips guys. I knew a few of them already, but great article overall! Thanks for sharing.
- elcriollito
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Re: Book Making hints-Sharing my experience
thanks M.T_Mode
one pic tells a lot ,about idioma don't worry,we can do our part
one pic tells a lot ,about idioma don't worry,we can do our part
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Re: Book Making hints-Sharing my experience
if any one can edit this and explaiin in English...m.t_mode wrote:Well, thanks for the sharing, jason1.methews.
Now that here are the explanation and instructions, let me give you some pictures so as to make it easier to understand:
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6919/80423275nf5.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5195 ... halot5.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3783/39180365ml0.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6127/55126536ix3.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2262/27496481zn5.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7430/49516820iw4.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5810/52385747bw6.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/814/72674049pc4.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4877/66685041or4.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1660/98064672vd2.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4982/88536955dh6.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3420/37153320sj8.jpg
I hope they help.
Thnks!
- linasinblues
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Re: Book Making hints-Sharing my experience
i second the motion. i mean i third the motion.
would u like to explain this pics in english??
Hi mt mode,m.t_mode wrote:Well, thanks for the sharing, jason1.methews.
Now that here are the explanation and instructions, let me give you some pictures so as to make it easier to understand:
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6919/80423275nf5.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5195 ... halot5.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3783/39180365ml0.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6127/55126536ix3.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2262/27496481zn5.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7430/49516820iw4.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5810/52385747bw6.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/814/72674049pc4.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4877/66685041or4.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1660/98064672vd2.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4982/88536955dh6.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3420/37153320sj8.jpg
I hope they help.
I want to make my own book..but dont know how to create it...you hv explained that by pics but I can not understand the language...would u like to write the instructions in english pls...if anyone can translate it.....
THnks...
- elcriollito
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Re: Book Making hints-Sharing my experience
here on this topic are more usefull hints about how to start ur own book
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=182&start=30
my question is:
where those game played by my engine in icc are saved?
where those games are Jason,normally where they go to be auto save
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=182&start=30
my question is:
where those game played by my engine in icc are saved?
where those games are Jason,normally where they go to be auto save
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- matematiko
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Re: Book Making hints-Sharing my experience
Have you try this sitehttp://www.spaghettichess.com/?elcriollito wrote:my question is:
where those game played by my engine in icc are saved?
I dont know if that is what you are looking for, but there you can fin lots engine games played at PCC.
Cheers,
Using engines to cheat:
- It is not ethical,
- It is useless, nothing is gained (how can one be proud of a score earn with dishonesty?)
- You will be baned, sooner or later,
- It gives us (the true chess engine players) a bad reputation.
- It is not ethical,
- It is useless, nothing is gained (how can one be proud of a score earn with dishonesty?)
- You will be baned, sooner or later,
- It gives us (the true chess engine players) a bad reputation.
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Re: Book Making hints-Sharing my experience
I saw it,that is my next step to import from those games,but I need to get familiar with my Auto-saved games played for my engine ,when it was playing in auto at playchess.com
In order to fix my own book I need to import from my own games played at playchess.com,and I know for sure they are auto-saved in some file inside my Fritz GUI,I have read it before,
I need to know where they are,to start with my lost/winner games ,and let my engine find out a better way in case I lost it,or keep same line if i won it
I am learnig litle by litle,
thanks Maternatiko for the link,
In order to fix my own book I need to import from my own games played at playchess.com,and I know for sure they are auto-saved in some file inside my Fritz GUI,I have read it before,
I need to know where they are,to start with my lost/winner games ,and let my engine find out a better way in case I lost it,or keep same line if i won it
I am learnig litle by litle,
thanks Maternatiko for the link,
"The winner of the game is the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
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